Cite a quote from the text, introduce it and explain its significance. Don't forget the page number.
In this case, explain correspondences between Cather in the Rye and Joseph Campbell's idea of the hero's journey.
CD: "I got pretty soaking wet, especially my neck and my pants.My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection, in a way, but I got soaked anyway. I didn't care though." Pg 213 CM: This quote can be interpreted in 2 ways. First, the rain symbolizes a cleanse or realization that Holden goes through. This moment also further explains Joseph Campbells idea of return. Holden is returning to his original life, before his brother died, his childhood. The hat also represents Holdens childhood. The hunting hat represents Holdens innocence and his only tie to a peaceful, drama free life before New York. This hat represents his vulnerability, it was like his security blanket.
CD: "... But I got soaked anyway. I didn't care, though. I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around." (Salinger pg. 213) CM: this quote relates to Campbell's idea of Return and can be viewed two different ways. First with the rain, the rain symbolizes cleansing Holden returning him back to innocence to the life he once had. And seeing phoebe ride the carrousel he sees his child innocence through Phoebe. He wishes to go back to the childhood innocence he was lived , but knowing that he can't because of the bad things he's done. So watching his child innocence ride the carrousel and being cleansed at the same time. Is hopefully enough for Holden to come back from.
CD: " A lot of people [...] keep asking me if I'm going to apply myself to school next September " ( Salinger, 213) CM: Once heroes complete the journey, he most likely won't want to return. The reason being is that he found peace within himself or herself and doesn't want to return home. Holden doesn't want to go back to school because now that he came back to New York, everywhere else feels odd and out of place. I also think that since he is the catcher in the rye, he feels the need to stay here and protect them. Especially Phoebe.
CD:"Boy it began to rain like a bastard[...]all the parents and mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof of the carrousel[...]I stuck around the bench for a while [...] my hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection in away[...] I felt so damn happy."(Salinger pg.213) CM: In this quote it begins to pour rain so the families go under the carrousel for protection,including Phobe. However Holden stays out in the rain getting wet watching everybody, but he is wearing his hunting hat for protection which plays the role as his own carousel. Connecting this to a deeper meaning the rain symbolizes cleansing for all the sin and guilt from the adult world and returning the families as a community to innocence one has as a child. The carrousel represents innocence. Holden however stays out in the rain getting wet. He to is being cleansed for his wrong doings but he has his hat as protection. Demonstrated in the quote, Holden is happy because in this moment he is the catcher in the rye. He sees Phobe riding on the never ending cycle of innocence and it makes him feel as if he saved her. What Holden is feeling can be a representation of Campbell's master of two worlds because Holden has accomplished being the Catcher in the rye at that moment in time so he feels like a transcendental hero.
CD: "I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around. I was damn near bawling, I felt so damn happy [...]." Pg.213
CM: Phoebe sort of represents Holden as a child in this quote. Before Holden was "set free" to commence a new chapter of his life, Maturity wise, all he would was react and seek attention from others, but always ended up feeling lonesome. He would never move a step closer to he rebirth, he would do the same actions and just go in circles ending up at the same spot just like Phoebe is doing on the carousel. Now, Holden is outside in the pouring rain being reborn and moving on to the next chapter of his life watching over his reflection, Phoebe.
CD:"You're supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head,but I didn't." (Salinger 95)
: The part of text shows Holden straying from his initial quest and getting tempted by lust as Cambell says. Holden gets caught up when he buys the prostitute, but realizes his guilt when he doesn't feel attracted to Sunny in a sexualized way. Instead he feels guilt and wants to retain innocence, by not going through it. He wants to save her, but he can't because he can't even save himself which has been his internal conflict all along. In this moment, he is between the lines of innocence and sin in which he deals with inside.
CD: "That made her cry even harder. I was glad. All of a sudden I wanted her to cry till her eyes practically dropped out. I almost hated her. I think I hated her most because she wouldn't be in that play anymore if she went with me." (Salinger p207)
CM: Holden is about to leave and is trying to say goodbye to Phoebe but she is begging him to allow her to go with him. He is having a internal conflict because now he views himself as the same thing he tries to fight against. He doesn't like that she is willing to choose him over a childish activity like being apart of a school play. The author has expressed symbolically that Holden's main goal is to keep Phoebe innocent throughout the book and especially at the end, he is now in the way of that. Him having a happy moment at the very end of the book after being this angry can be a sign that he decided to stay because he doesn't want to be deterred from his goal. This is related to Campbell's idea of the hero's journey because it shows temptation. The temptation was him leaving and Phoebe begging him to stay shows him that the mission isn't complete. Also being that weather he stays or goes isn't said makes is to where the idea of him being the opposite of a hero still open.
CD:"Boy, it began to rain like a bastard. In buckets I swear to God.....My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection, in a way, but I got soaked anyway. I didn't care though. I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around. I was damn near bawling, I felt so damn happy.."(Salinger p212)
CM: These paragraphs can be interpreted in many symbolic ways. Through the way that it is written though, it's pretty obvious to infer that the last two paragraphs of this chapter is actually the conclusion of the story, and the following chapter as the epilogue. According to Joseph Campbell what Holden is going through currently is the final stage of The Hero's Journey, which is "The Ultimate Boon". This is when the protagonist finally reaches his goal after he goes through all the trials and tribulations necessary. In the end, Holden wanted only wanted one thing in reality, and that was to feel happy and secure. When the rain fell, and he surprisingly wasn't depressed, but relieved, and that symbolized the weight of the world being lifted off of his shoulders and him being able to feel comfortable and innocent again.
CD: "I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around. I was damn near bawling, I felt so damn happy, if you want to know the truth." (Salinger,213)
CM: This quote is from the end of book when Holden takes Phoebe to the carousel in Central Park. In this quote Holden is so happy and overwhelmed with emotion because he sees his baby sister being innocent. Holden feels safe and secure in the world of these few moments and is in some type of euphoria. This quote relates to Joseph Campbell's " hero journey " at the stage of refusal to return. This quote relates to the refusal to return because in this moment Holden is feeling a joy and a happiness that he has never experienced before and he doesn't want this to be taken away from him. At this moment to Holden sees his community come together as he had never seen before or realized because of the rain which in this case represents a cleansing of 'sin' or bad things.
CD: "My hand still hurts me once in a while, when it rains and all..."
CM: The consistent pain from Caulfield's hand symbolizes his subconscious ordeal with the lost of his brother, Allie. Thus, representing Caulfield's internal battle with accepting an emotional loss by finding a pathological outlet through violence. In this case, Caulfield is crossing the threshold as he departs from his comfort zone of a complete family unit and enters a stage where he must confront the death of his brother.
CD:"I felt so damn happy, if you want to know the truth. I don't know why. It was just that she looked so damn nice, the way she kept going around and around, in her blue coat and all. God, i wish you could of been there." CM: Knowing that the carousel represented Holden's childhood and he struggled to keep his innocence. Holden knew his childhood was over seeing rain pour down onto the carousel. In Joseph Campbell's the Hero's Journey the hero returns to his or hers own world with enlightenment. Holden's return was accepting the new chapter of his life as becoming an adult and realizing he could not be a child forever. He shows this in this quote be realizing how happy he is seeing his sister enjoy of what was of his childhood. Also Phoebe was playing on the carousel which gave me the conclusion that Holden did not just enjoy seeing his sister playing on something that signified a big part of his life but that he felt comfort in knowing his sister still didn't have to make the decision of becoming an adult and did not have to go through what he's gone through.
"I know your supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head, but I didnt. Sexy was about the last thing I was feeling. I felt much more depressed than sexy... The trouble was to just didn't want to,do it... She was depressing" (Salinger,95,96) Holden,when being in the adult world, feels alienated and empty when trying to connect with Sunny on a financial sexual level. THIS relates to Joseph Campbell's quote because it shows how Holden strays from his origio al quest because he is trying to find a pure connection with other people.
"I know your supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head, but I didnt. Sexy was about the last thing I was feeling. I felt much more depressed than sexy... The trouble was to just didn't want to,do it... She was depressing" (Salinger,95,96) Holden,when being in the adult world, feels alienated and empty when trying to connect with Sunny on a financial sexual level. THIS relates to Joseph Campbell's quote because it shows how Holden strays from his origio al quest because he is trying to find a pure connection with other people.
"I know your supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head, but I didnt. Sexy was about the last thing I was feeling. I felt much more depressed than sexy... The trouble was to just didn't want to,do it... She was depressing" (Salinger,95,96) Holden,when being in the adult world, feels alienated and empty when trying to connect with Sunny on a financial sexual level. THIS relates to Joseph Campbell's quote because it shows how Holden strays from his origio al quest because he is trying to find a pure connection with other people.
Holden has recently been kicked out of school and went home to see Phoebe, while hiding from his parents. He considers her very mature almost equivalent to an adult, yet at this point she shows her true age. CD:"That killed me. I pulled my hand away from her forehead, like i was in terrible danger." CM: Phoebe believes she is able raise her body temperature and Holden plays along to make her believe she could. The subtle symbolism can be found in Holden's reaction. Instead of telling Phoebe the truth he demonstrates that he values childhood innocence instead of reality. Another way one can read into a subtle sign is through another fact of the matter, he is hiding from his parents in his little sister's room. Which shows he doesn't even want to think like a mature person.
CD: "'She had a lousy childhood. I'm not kidding.' That didn't interest Stradlater, though. Only very sexy stuff interested him." (pg. 32)
CM: Holden knows for a fact what kid of guy Stradlater is. As an indirect way of trying to protect Jane, he tries to get it through Stradlater's head that she's a human being with feelings that isn't just any girl to "give the time" to when he can't even get her name right. People like Stradlater really ticked Holden off, but he only really took it upon himself to act on it physically when it involved someone who he cared deeply for. He wanted to make sure he protected her this time, since he couldn't protect her from her Stepdad back when they lived next to each other. In a way, Holden wants to also preserve Jane's innocence. He's trying so hard to protect the ones he loves because when he had the chance before, he couldn't save Allie. Now his hand hurts around rain and he can't make a perfect fist.
CD: " I've lived in New York all my life, and I know Central Park like the back of my hand [...], but I had the most terrific trouble finding that lagoon that night.[...] I must've been drunker than I thought.[..] Then, finally, I found it. What it was , it was partly frozen and partly not frozen. But I didn't see any ducks around." (Salinger 154).
CM: This quote shows Holden feeling powerless not knowing where he's going while drunk in the park. Holden realize that the ducks isn't at the lagoon and wonders where they are. In Campbell's hero's journey departure, crossing the threshold, Holden is venturing into a dark park looking for duck in the winter while he's under the influence of alcohol. Then Holden realize he's too drunk and takes a seat on a beach before leaving the park. Also he wants to protect the animals that the people doesn't care about unless its money.
CD: "Look [...] I don't feel very much like myself tonight. I've had a rough night [...] I'll pay you and all, but do you mind very much if we don't do it? [...] I just didn't want to do it. I felt more depressed." (Salinger 96)
CM: In this section of the novel, the sense of fear and uncertainty is seen through the denial of Holden's situation. Throughout the novel Holden has talked about "necking" and sex, giving the impression that he wanted to have an actual sexual experience. But as he had the chance to experience that with Sunny, he refused and named excuses to prevent it from happening. Holden describes it as depressing, when in reality he just wasn't mentally ready to transition to that step of his adulthood . This relates to Josephs Campbell's stage of "Refusal of the call", the call being adulthood, and his refusal being his own emotional unbalance throughout the novel.
CD: " 'Okay' I said, it was against my principles and all but I was feeling so depressed I didn't even think"
CM: Holden still not wanting to call anyone he knows due to the fact that he is not supposed to be in New York made him feel lonely. So lonely that he was willing to have a one night fling with a prostitute. Not only does this go against his principles the depression he was feeling having no one to talk to had so much of a toll on him. Holden has stated before that he has never done anything to that degree. The fact that he would be giving up his innocence just because he was lonely shows how depression can drive you to do crazy things that may have a permanent effect on your life. It relates to Joseph Cambell's hero journey because this is the departure of Holden's childhood almost into adulthood.
In his novel The Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger uses subtle situations to show the progression from alienation and indifference of modern, urban life to community and innocence, and ultimately a sense of fulfilment, if only temporarily. For example, Holden says, "The ducks. Do you know by any chance? Does anybody come around in a truck or something and take them away or do they fly away themselves?" (Salinger, pg. 81-2). This shows the innocence that remains in Holden's heart regardless of his decision to roam around New York. While Holden is concerned about childish things, the taxi driver, to whom Holden is talking, is ready to welcome him to the "Big Apple" by ripping him off. This dialogue points to the underlying theme of the book: Holden's desire to protect the innocent, as he is concerned about the ducks that are at the mercy of the people in the park.
CD: “I have a feeling that you're riding for some kind of terrible terrible fall [...] The whole arrangement's designed for men who, at some time or other in their lives were looking for something their own environment couldn’t supply them with [...] So they gave up looking” pg. 187 CM: This discussion between Mr. Antolini and Holden shows that Holden is the one who truly needs to be rescued from “falling”. Throughout the book Holden envisions himself as the protector rather than the one who needs protection which in reality, Holden needs the protection or in this case, the one who needs to be “caught”. The conversation of these two were very much similar to the one Phoebe and Holden had earlier of the catcher in the rye: catching children's innocence from falling in the dangerous world of adulthood and corruption. Mr. Antolini sees just that and is trying to catch holden before he falls, but Holden resist. This relates to Joseph Campbell, Rescue from Without because the hero, Holden gets guidance and assistance even if he or she doesn't want it. Just how Mr.Antolini tried to help Holden before he falls.
CD: " I kept thinking about Jane, and about Stradlater having a date with her and all. It made me so nervous I nearly went crazy." Pg.34
CM: Holden feels so hepless because he isn't able to protect Jane, Holden knows Stradlater only wants one thing from Jane. Holden realized that once Stradlater gets what he wants he will leave Jane hurt and stripped of innocence. Not being able to protect his loved ones' innocence really hurts Holden and pushes him to the limit. Holden wants to protect Jane on a more relationship level. Holden knows Jane had a rough childhood and the last thing she needed was to be used by Stradlater. In Joseph Cambell's hero's Journey The meeting with the goddess is similar to Stradlaters live for Jane and his want to protect her.
CD:"He knew I wasn't coming back to Pencey.I forgot to tell you about that. They kicked me out."(Salinger,4)
CM: In the quote above, Holden seemed to leave out a tiny bit of significant information while starting to describe to us his past experiences at Pencey Highschool and how it affected the rest of his story.THE FACT THAT HE GOT KICKED OUT.In further detail Holden was kicked out of Pencey because of his inability to "apply himself" meaning he did not try the least bit to be a successful student at his former highschool in which later explained that he hated it and everybody there.This humorous and definable moment is what Joseph Campbell would call "The Call to Adventure" a special feature from his fantastic analysis of stages in a hero's journey . As Sir Campbell described in the stage of "The Call to Adventure", Holden begins in a normal setting by the name of Pencey High school in which he discharged from per se. This one action was the catalyst for a chain of reactions starting Holden's journey as he creeps his way into a new setting where he is trying to fight the evils of the cold world that he is trying to protect innocence from.The Departure,Initiation and the Return of "Catcher in the Rye" could not been accomplished without the simple event of Holden getting bounced out of school. Truly comical, entertaining but most of all essential to the plot of the story. It all begins with "The Call to Adventure". Hasta Luego Holden!
CD: " I felt so damn happy all of the sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around." pg.213
CM: This quote demonstrates that Holden feels happy after being through lots of things in his life. Its important because after what Holden has experience and his indecisive choices he finally gets to enjoy his life. His past and his sins hunt Holden down and never lets him be happy but now he finally is. This connect to Joseph Campbell "Hero's Journey" in where it shows the "The Ultimate Boom," were the goal of Holden is finally accomplish. This is not only show his happiness but it show is rebirth, and his new beginning. The feeling he feels its mature because as an adult he let go of the negative things in life to finally fulfill his happiness.
"He knew I wasn't coming back to Pency . . . They kicked me out." (Sallinger 4)
This quote is significant because this shows how Holden is just a boy that just want something new and different. He's young and doesn't care got kicked out of school. This is the first part of him embarking on his heroes journey. This situation forces him to embark on the hero's journey. Just like many other text I've read and movies I've seen the hero start off with non heroic actions and qualities. Usually the hero throughout the story goes through certain hardships as a right of passage to gain these heroic qualities. Holden in this book did not. His heroes journey was somewhat altered and distorted.In the end when he found his 'happiness' looking at the carousel in the rain. He 'returned' to a happiness he never had in the beginning, but he always envied.
"Boy it began to rain like a bastard. In buckets... I swear to god, all the parents and everybody went and stood right under the roof of the carousel [...] I got pretty soaking wet. My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection. I felt so damn happy all of a sudden. (Salinger, p.212-213). As Holden is expressing his emotions at this point in the novel he is signifying that the concept of rain and the carousel was utilized to unify the community and give a sense of innocence. This event parallels with that of the ducks because Holden cared for them just like he did for his siblings as their ultimate protector.
CD: "It was a Saturday and it was raining like a bastard out, and I was over at her [Jane's] house, on the porch - they had this big screened-in porch. We were playing checkers [...] It was raining like hell and we were out on her porch, and all of a sudden this booze hound her mother was married to came out on the porch and asked Jane if there were any cigarettes in the house. [...] Then all of a sudden, this tear plopped down on the checkerboard. On one of the red squares - boy, I can still see it She just rubbed it into the board with her finger. I don't know why, but it bothered the hell out of me." - Salinger, pg. 78-79
CM: This quote is significant because it relates to Joseph Campbell's step in the hero's journey where the hero is called to action. Jane's porch symbolizes the "shield of innocence", the checkers games symbolizes the distractions of childhood, the cigarettes symbolize the unhealthy distractions of non-innocence, and Jane's stepfather, Mr. Cuhady, symbolizes human sinfulness and what happens when it penetrates the ideals of innocence. All of these elements are important because they create a "call to action" for Holden and sort of pull him out of the fantasy he was experiencing with Jane. By stopping the checkers game (the fantasy) Mr. Cuhady (the sinful human) disturbs Holden's feeling of content, which causes him to embark on a new journey to find that feeling he possessed in his childlike mindset before Allie's death.Maybe Holden had difficulty coming to terms with the idea of Stradlater trying to cop a feel with Jane because the feeling of childishness he had when Allie was alive manifested during his time with Jane. Therefore, taking Jane's innocence would have ruined Holden's experience with her and possibly could have altered Holden's feelings for Allie.
""She had a lousy childhood. I'm not kidding" That didn't matter to Stradlater, though. Only very sexy stuff interested him." (Pg. 32) Holden tries once again to protect Jane from a man, the first was he step-father. However once again Holden fails which aligns with Joseph Campbell's road of trials, Holden keeps failing to protect people leading him to transform. However unlike Campbell's outline, Holden continue to fail and becomes an anti-hero by straying from the hero outline.
CD:" It began to rain like a bastard [...] parents and mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof [...] my hunting hat gave me a lot of protection [...] I felt so damn happy all of a sudden[...] " ( Salinger. Pgs, 212, 213 ) CM: Holden has a sense of fulfillment when he sees everybody being protected from the world even if it was only for a moment.
CD: "After they left, I started getting sorry that I'd only given them ten bucks for their collection." (Salinger, pg.113).
To me, this quote is a summary of all Holden's struggles. Holden thrives for attention and will get it any way he can get it, in this case from two kind nuns. Holden struggles to draw connections to people, but sees the nuns as an opportunity to have a decent conversation. Holden knows the nuns cannot reject him simply because of their nature. He also figures that by donating to their cause, he will encourage more conversation. I wouldn't say Holden is necessarily desperate, but he is willing to do things for the attention he wants. By giving the nuns more money he felt that he would have prolonged the conversation, but he didn't. Holden failed to draw connection to people, and this quote shows a great example of that.
"All the parents and mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof of the carousel..." Holden was happy that everyone was cleansed by the rain and became innocent again. He felt like his job was accomplished.
CD: "My hand still hurts me every once in a while, when it rains and all, and I can't make a real fist anymore- not a tight one, I mean- but outside of that I don't care much" (Salinger, 39) CM: In the quote above Holden describes the time when he heard about his brother's passing and went on a rampage through the garage, breaking every window in sight. This rampage is what almost got him institutionalized. Holden mentions specifically about when it RAINS his hand begins to hurt. As many of us know water in stories is never just water. From this statement I believe that the rain symbolizes a change for the better and new growth. However, for Holden, whenever it rains his hand begins to hurt reminding him of that dreadful night and his brother's passing. Bringing me to the conclusion that whenever things get better for Holden he is reminded of his brother's death and ruins it for himself. There were several cases of Holden's hand bothering him until the very end when it pours rain and he didn't mention a thing symbolizing he was finally able to receive closure. A scenario as this reminds me of Joseph Campell's three stages in the return phase under the "freedom to live" stage since Holden is relieved from his pain and finds a sense of comfort in the pouring rain.
"Then what she did--it damn near killed me--she reached in my coat pocket and took out my red hunting hat and put it on my head..." (212). Holden values Phoebe's opinion more than anybody's. Phoebe putting the hat on Holden's head let him finally believe that he deserves protection, and should protect others. Holden's hat provides him protection all throughout the book and he turns to it in hard times, like after his fight with Stradlater. Holden's want so badly to protect children from adulthood, and his sister wants to protect him as well. The hunting hat being placed on Holden's head by the person he trusts the most means something to him. It makes Holden believe that this is truly what he should be doing. Phoebe giving Holden the hat gives him hope.
CD: "I have a tombstone and it'll say "holden claufield" on it [...] and then right under that it'll say "fuck you"" (pg.204, J.D.)
CM: In the quote above Holden shows that he's in a psychological crisis and his thoughts about himself change. Holden has began to felt less than after re-entering the real world and finding out how things have changed. This quote of Holden's thoughts is in relation to Joseph Cambell's section "belly of the whale". This relates because Holden has been swallowed into a different life of him seeing hiself as dead and nobody would even respect or leave Holden at peace. Although, Holden has to face the real truth on reality he is not able to accept what is coming towards him without thinking he isn't worth much to anyone around him.
CD: "IF YOU REALLY want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to know is where I was born, and what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, [...] but I don't feel like going into it, if you want the truth. (Salinger, pg.1)"
CM: This quote is an example of Joseph Campbell's departure. In this quote Holden introduces himself in a weird way, but he is clearly stating that he has a story to tell and wants to skip all nonsense. The tone in this first line of the book tells the readers that the the book will not be like an ordinary book. It gives an informal tone to readers and a sense that the book will be brutally honest. This is the beginning of the main reader heading off into their journey, which makes this the departure because there is no going back now that Holden started talking.
" I'm the most terrific liar you ever saw in your life. It's awful. If I'm on my way to the store to buy a magazine [...] i'm liable to say that I'm going to the opera" (Salinger, ph 16)
This quote reminds me of Joseph Campbell's Departure: Refusal of the call because the way Holden lies and refuses to except reality. He lies to everyone in the book, but when it comes to his sister he does it for a different purpose. Holden feels that if he lies he can paint a picture of what he want things to look like. To Holden if he were to speak reality and then there's no escaping it. When it comes to Phoebe, he lies to protect her from all of the sick things that happen outside of childhood. This is also why he wanted to be the catcher in the rye, Holden wanted to protect all of the innocent children from what wrongs beyond childhood. Telling the children the truth would be like dragging them off the carousel, he would strip them from their protection. ~Nadja Barker
CD: "He wrote me a note saying he wanted to see me before I went home. He knew I wasn't coming back to Pency. I forgot to tell you. They kicked me out." (Salinger, pg3-4) CM: In this quote Holden tells the reader that he has just been asked to leave Pency. Because he can not return to school he must go back home to New York. he decides not to return to his home immediately but rather roam the city until his parents lean of what happened. This is symbolic of Joseph Campbell's departure and specifically the call to adventure. Because he roams the city he is able to learn more about himself while going through an identity crisis
"By any chance, do you know where they go, the ducks, when it gets all frozen over?..." (Salinger, 60) This quote is significant because it's another symbol for Holden being the Catcher in the Rye. Holden is the catcher in the rye because he wants to "catch" the kids around him and save them from adulthood. Holden wants them to keep their innocence and that's why he's worried about the ducks. He kept asking where the ducks went as if they were kids because when the pond freezes they have nowhere to go just like children when they become adults. All Holden wanted to do was save the kids and he expressed that in questioning the ducks. All throughout the book Holden wanted to remain innocent within himself and he wanted the same for his sister Phoebe. Phoebe and her brother had a special bond because they could be kids together and not focus on reality. Holden wanted her to stay that way as long as possible. -Sydney A
"When I was all set to go, when I had my bags and all, I stood for a while next to the stairs and took a last look down the goddam corridor." ( Salinger, 52) This part of the story is significant because this is where Holden first crosses the threshold in the story. He leaves a place he knows and is comfortable in, Pency Prep, and enters the unknown of the city with many dangers to be seen. In the quote Holden shows his fear of leaving Pency and is worried how the city will treat him.
CD:"Uh huh. Well,how 'bout? Y'innarested? Five bucks a throw . Fifteen bucks the whole night."(pg.91) CM:Holden actions going back to his room in the hotel. On the way up to his room,he enters the elevator where Maurice is in. Maurice wants Holden to have a good time at the Hotel,so tries to persuade him into having a relationship with a prostitute.Holden can cause the lack of innocence and responsibility. His decisions can despair honesty into anger or making the wrong decisions and not taking the right path to overcome his depression of loneliness.
CD:Boy, it began to rain like a bastard. In buckets, I swear to God. All the parents & mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof of the carousel, so they wouldn't get soaked to the skin or anything, but I stuck around on the bench for a quite a while. I got pretty soaking wet[...]My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection,[...]I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around." Pg. 212-213 Significance: This quote of the paragraph towards the end shows relationship between the Catch in the Rye & Joseph Campbell's Return. The Carrousel represents the protection for the community while the hunting hat is Holden's protection. He stays in the pouring rain as a symbol of being cleansed of all his sins from the past. For a moment, Phoebe represents Holden's past life of innocence and Holden is happy as hell because he feels lile the Catcher in the Rye. He feels as if somehow he is able to protect Phoebe from all the bad in the world as long as she keeps going around on that Carrousel. His happiness also represents him growing up. He has realized that his adult hood is approaching. This could relate to the Return of Master of Two Worlds. The person has become comfortable and competent in both the inner and outer worlds.
CD: “ ‘the mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one” (salinger,188) CM: This quote is from the instance where Mr.Antolini is trying to convince Holden that him hating the way the adult world is will lead to a life of never ending hate. This quote relates to Joseph Cambell’s The Hero’s Journey by connecting with one of its steps: atonement with the father. Holden respects Mr.Antolini and his words hold power with Holden. Just like with atonement with the father the male entity in the hero’s life is supposed to help him or save his life with his great power. Mr.Antolini saves holden’s life from never ending hate by using his powerful words to influence him. This quote that Mr.Antolini is also meant to help the hero Holden cross over the threshold again and finish his “quest” of dealing with becoming an adult and possibly losing his innocence.
CD:"He'd written me this note asking me to stop by and say good-by before vacation started, on account of I wasn't coming back." (Salinger, pg7)
CM: This quote is an example of John Campbell's departure. In this quote Holden's history teacher, Mr. Spencer is Holden's "supernatural guide". Mr. Spencer cares about Holden enough to invite him to his house to say goodbye to Holden. As saod in John Campbell's hero's journey, the supernatural aid guides the hero in the right path.
CD: I decided I'd never go home again and I'd never go away to another school again. I decided I'd just see old Phoebe and sort of say good-by to her and all, and give her back her Christmas dough, and then I'd start hitchhiking my way out West. (Salinger,198) CM: In this quote Holden explains how he is going to abandon everything and go out West. Holden feels that he is better off in his make me believe life that he conjured up. He has thought up how he wants his life to be so that he doesn't want to return. In Campbells book it talks about the refusal of the return which is what Holden is doing. He has found a place in which he believes he will be happy so he will not return home.
CD: I decided I'd never go home again and I'd never go away to another school again. I decided I'd just see old Phoebe and sort of say good-by to her and all, and give her back her Christmas dough, and then I'd start hitchhiking my way out West. (Salinger,198) CM: In this quote Holden explains how he is going to abandon everything and go out West. Holden feels that he is better off in his make me believe life that he conjured up. He has thought up how he wants his life to be so that he doesn't want to return. In Campbells book it talks about the refusal of the return which is what Holden is doing. He has found a place in which he believes he will be happy so he will not return home.
CD: "What it was, it was Mr. Antolini's hand. What he was doing was he was sitting on the floor right next to the couch. (...) he was sort of petting me or petting me on the goddamn head. 'What the hellya doing?', I said! 'Nothing! I'm simply sitting here admiring' (Salinger 191-92).
CM: In the quote, Holden is at Mr, Antolini's house for the night after they talked about all of Holden's current situations. Then, as they were all getting ready for bed, Mr. Antolini was "admiring" Holden as he slept. However, Holden does not accept that. In connection to Joseph Campbell's "A Hero's Journey", this quote portrays the step "Atonement with the Father" by using Antolini to symbolize that ultimate power and father figure that Holden cannot seem to connect with. For example, Antolini was petting Holden's head and admiring him like a father would do with his younger child but, Holden's disconnection makes the situation more awkward and unappreciated.
CD: "I got pretty soaking wet, especially my neck and my pants.My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection, in a way, but I got soaked anyway. I didn't care though." Pg 213
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote can be interpreted in 2 ways. First, the rain symbolizes a cleanse or realization that Holden goes through. This moment also further explains Joseph Campbells idea of return. Holden is returning to his original life, before his brother died, his childhood. The hat also represents Holdens childhood. The hunting hat represents Holdens innocence and his only tie to a peaceful, drama free life before New York. This hat represents his vulnerability, it was like his security blanket.
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DeleteCD: "... But I got soaked anyway. I didn't care, though. I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around." (Salinger pg. 213)
ReplyDeleteCM: this quote relates to Campbell's idea of Return and can be viewed two different ways. First with the rain, the rain symbolizes cleansing Holden returning him back to innocence to the life he once had. And seeing phoebe ride the carrousel he sees his child innocence through Phoebe. He wishes to go back to the childhood innocence he was lived , but knowing that he can't because of the bad things he's done. So watching his child innocence ride the carrousel and being cleansed at the same time. Is hopefully enough for Holden to come back from.
CD: " A lot of people [...] keep asking me if I'm going to apply myself to school next September " ( Salinger, 213)
ReplyDeleteCM: Once heroes complete the journey, he most likely won't want to return. The reason being is that he found peace within himself or herself and doesn't want to return home. Holden doesn't want to go back to school because now that he came back to New York, everywhere else feels odd and out of place. I also think that since he is the catcher in the rye, he feels the need to stay here and protect them. Especially Phoebe.
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ReplyDeleteCD:"Boy it began to rain like a bastard[...]all the parents and mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof of the carrousel[...]I stuck around the bench for a while [...] my hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection in away[...] I felt so damn happy."(Salinger pg.213)
ReplyDeleteCM: In this quote it begins to pour rain so the families go under the carrousel for protection,including Phobe. However Holden stays out in the rain getting wet watching everybody, but he is wearing his hunting hat for protection which plays the role as his own carousel. Connecting this to a deeper meaning the rain symbolizes cleansing for all the sin and guilt from the adult world and returning the families as a community to innocence one has as a child. The carrousel represents innocence. Holden however stays out in the rain getting wet. He to is being cleansed for his wrong doings but he has his hat as protection. Demonstrated in the quote, Holden is happy because in this moment he is the catcher in the rye. He sees Phobe riding on the never ending cycle of innocence and it makes him feel as if he saved her. What Holden is feeling can be a representation of Campbell's master of two worlds because Holden has accomplished being the Catcher in the rye at that moment in time so he feels like a transcendental hero.
CD: "I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around. I was damn near bawling, I felt so damn happy [...]." Pg.213
ReplyDeleteCM: Phoebe sort of represents Holden as a child in this quote. Before Holden was "set free" to commence a new chapter of his life, Maturity wise, all he would was react and seek attention from others, but always ended up feeling lonesome. He would never move a step closer to he rebirth, he would do the same actions and just go in circles ending up at the same spot just like Phoebe is doing on the carousel. Now, Holden is outside in the pouring rain being reborn and moving on to the next chapter of his life watching over his reflection, Phoebe.
CD:"You're supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head,but I didn't." (Salinger 95)
ReplyDelete: The part of text shows Holden straying from his initial quest and getting tempted by lust as Cambell says. Holden gets caught up when he buys the prostitute, but realizes his guilt when he doesn't feel attracted to Sunny in a sexualized way. Instead he feels guilt and wants to retain innocence, by not going through it. He wants to save her, but he can't because he can't even save himself which has been his internal conflict all along. In this moment, he is between the lines of innocence and sin in which he deals with inside.
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CD: "That made her cry even harder. I was glad. All of a sudden I wanted her to cry till her eyes practically dropped out. I almost hated her. I think I hated her most because she wouldn't be in that play anymore if she went with me." (Salinger p207)
ReplyDeleteCM: Holden is about to leave and is trying to say goodbye to Phoebe but she is begging him to allow her to go with him. He is having a internal conflict because now he views himself as the same thing he tries to fight against. He doesn't like that she is willing to choose him over a childish activity like being apart of a school play. The author has expressed symbolically that Holden's main goal is to keep Phoebe innocent throughout the book and especially at the end, he is now in the way of that. Him having a happy moment at the very end of the book after being this angry can be a sign that he decided to stay because he doesn't want to be deterred from his goal. This is related to Campbell's idea of the hero's journey because it shows temptation. The temptation was him leaving and Phoebe begging him to stay shows him that the mission isn't complete. Also being that weather he stays or goes isn't said makes is to where the idea of him being the opposite of a hero still open.
CD:"Boy, it began to rain like a bastard. In buckets I swear to God.....My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection, in a way, but I got soaked anyway. I didn't care though. I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around. I was damn near bawling, I felt so damn happy.."(Salinger p212)
ReplyDeleteCM: These paragraphs can be interpreted in many symbolic ways. Through the way that it is written though, it's pretty obvious to infer that the last two paragraphs of this chapter is actually the conclusion of the story, and the following chapter as the epilogue. According to Joseph Campbell what Holden is going through currently is the final stage of The Hero's Journey, which is "The Ultimate Boon". This is when the protagonist finally reaches his goal after he goes through all the trials and tribulations necessary. In the end, Holden wanted only wanted one thing in reality, and that was to feel happy and secure. When the rain fell, and he surprisingly wasn't depressed, but relieved, and that symbolized the weight of the world being lifted off of his shoulders and him being able to feel comfortable and innocent again.
CD: "I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around. I was damn near bawling, I felt so damn happy, if you want to know the truth." (Salinger,213)
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote is from the end of book when Holden takes Phoebe to the carousel in Central Park. In this quote Holden is so happy and overwhelmed with emotion because he sees his baby sister being innocent. Holden feels safe and secure in the world of these few moments and is in some type of euphoria. This quote relates to Joseph Campbell's " hero journey " at the stage of refusal to return. This quote relates to the refusal to return because in this moment Holden is feeling a joy and a happiness that he has never experienced before and he doesn't want this to be taken away from him. At this moment to Holden sees his community come together as he had never seen before or realized because of the rain which in this case represents a cleansing of 'sin' or bad things.
CD: "My hand still hurts me once in a while, when it rains and all..."
ReplyDeleteCM: The consistent pain from Caulfield's hand symbolizes his subconscious ordeal with the lost of his brother, Allie. Thus, representing Caulfield's internal battle with accepting an emotional loss by finding a pathological outlet through violence. In this case, Caulfield is crossing the threshold as he departs from his comfort zone of a complete family unit and enters a stage where he must confront the death of his brother.
CD:"I felt so damn happy, if you want to know the truth. I don't know why. It was just that she looked so damn nice, the way she kept going around and around, in her blue coat and all. God, i wish you could of been there."
ReplyDeleteCM: Knowing that the carousel represented Holden's childhood and he struggled to keep his innocence. Holden knew his childhood was over seeing rain pour down onto the carousel. In Joseph Campbell's the Hero's Journey the hero returns to his or hers own world with enlightenment. Holden's return was accepting the new chapter of his life as becoming an adult and realizing he could not be a child forever. He shows this in this quote be realizing how happy he is seeing his sister enjoy of what was of his childhood. Also Phoebe was playing on the carousel which gave me the conclusion that Holden did not just enjoy seeing his sister playing on something that signified a big part of his life but that he felt comfort in knowing his sister still didn't have to make the decision of becoming an adult and did not have to go through what he's gone through.
"I know your supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head, but I didnt. Sexy was about the last thing I was feeling. I felt much more depressed than sexy... The trouble was to just didn't want to,do it... She was depressing" (Salinger,95,96)
ReplyDeleteHolden,when being in the adult world, feels alienated and empty when trying to connect with Sunny on a financial sexual level. THIS relates to Joseph Campbell's quote because it shows how Holden strays from his origio al quest because he is trying to find a pure connection with other people.
"I know your supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head, but I didnt. Sexy was about the last thing I was feeling. I felt much more depressed than sexy... The trouble was to just didn't want to,do it... She was depressing" (Salinger,95,96)
ReplyDeleteHolden,when being in the adult world, feels alienated and empty when trying to connect with Sunny on a financial sexual level. THIS relates to Joseph Campbell's quote because it shows how Holden strays from his origio al quest because he is trying to find a pure connection with other people.
"I know your supposed to feel pretty sexy when somebody gets up and pulls their dress over their head, but I didnt. Sexy was about the last thing I was feeling. I felt much more depressed than sexy... The trouble was to just didn't want to,do it... She was depressing" (Salinger,95,96)
ReplyDeleteHolden,when being in the adult world, feels alienated and empty when trying to connect with Sunny on a financial sexual level. THIS relates to Joseph Campbell's quote because it shows how Holden strays from his origio al quest because he is trying to find a pure connection with other people.
Holden has recently been kicked out of school and went home to see Phoebe, while hiding from his parents. He considers her very mature almost equivalent to an adult, yet at this point she shows her true age. CD:"That killed me. I pulled my hand away from her forehead, like i was in terrible danger." CM: Phoebe believes she is able raise her body temperature and Holden plays along to make her believe she could. The subtle symbolism can be found in Holden's reaction. Instead of telling Phoebe the truth he demonstrates that he values childhood innocence instead of reality. Another way one can read into a subtle sign is through another fact of the matter, he is hiding from his parents in his little sister's room. Which shows he doesn't even want to think like a mature person.
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DeleteCD: "'She had a lousy childhood. I'm not kidding.' That didn't interest Stradlater, though. Only very sexy stuff interested him." (pg. 32)
ReplyDeleteCM: Holden knows for a fact what kid of guy Stradlater is. As an indirect way of trying to protect Jane, he tries to get it through Stradlater's head that she's a human being with feelings that isn't just any girl to "give the time" to when he can't even get her name right. People like Stradlater really ticked Holden off, but he only really took it upon himself to act on it physically when it involved someone who he cared deeply for. He wanted to make sure he protected her this time, since he couldn't protect her from her Stepdad back when they lived next to each other. In a way, Holden wants to also preserve Jane's innocence. He's trying so hard to protect the ones he loves because when he had the chance before, he couldn't save Allie. Now his hand hurts around rain and he can't make a perfect fist.
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DeleteCD: " I've lived in New York all my life, and I know Central Park like the back of my hand [...], but I had the most terrific trouble finding that lagoon that night.[...] I must've been drunker than I thought.[..] Then, finally, I found it. What it was , it was partly frozen and partly not frozen. But I didn't see any ducks around." (Salinger 154).
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote shows Holden feeling powerless not knowing where he's going while drunk in the park. Holden realize that the ducks isn't at the lagoon and wonders where they are. In Campbell's hero's journey departure, crossing the threshold, Holden is venturing into a dark park looking for duck in the winter while he's under the influence of alcohol. Then Holden realize he's too drunk and takes a seat on a beach before leaving the park. Also he wants to protect the animals that the people doesn't care about unless its money.
CD: "Look [...] I don't feel very much like myself tonight. I've had a rough night [...] I'll pay you and all, but do you mind very much if we don't do it? [...] I just didn't want to do it. I felt more depressed." (Salinger 96)
ReplyDeleteCM: In this section of the novel, the sense of fear and uncertainty is seen through the denial of Holden's situation. Throughout the novel Holden has talked about "necking" and sex, giving the impression that he wanted to have an actual sexual experience. But as he had the chance to experience that with Sunny, he refused and named excuses to prevent it from happening. Holden describes it as depressing, when in reality he just wasn't mentally ready to transition to that step of his adulthood . This relates to Josephs Campbell's stage of "Refusal of the call", the call being adulthood, and his refusal being his own emotional unbalance throughout the novel.
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ReplyDeleteCD: " 'Okay' I said, it was against my principles and all but I was feeling so depressed I didn't even think"
ReplyDeleteCM: Holden still not wanting to call anyone he knows due to the fact that he is not supposed to be in New York made him feel lonely. So lonely that he was willing to have a one night fling with a prostitute. Not only does this go against his principles the depression he was feeling having no one to talk to had so much of a toll on him. Holden has stated before that he has never done anything to that degree. The fact that he would be giving up his innocence just because he was lonely shows how depression can drive you to do crazy things that may have a permanent effect on your life. It relates to Joseph Cambell's hero journey because this is the departure of Holden's childhood almost into adulthood.
In his novel The Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger uses subtle situations to show the progression from alienation and indifference of modern, urban life to community and innocence, and ultimately a sense of fulfilment, if only temporarily. For example, Holden says, "The ducks. Do you know by any chance? Does anybody come around in a truck or something and take them away or do they fly away themselves?" (Salinger, pg. 81-2). This shows the innocence that remains in Holden's heart regardless of his decision to roam around New York. While Holden is concerned about childish things, the taxi driver, to whom Holden is talking, is ready to welcome him to the "Big Apple" by ripping him off. This dialogue points to the underlying theme of the book: Holden's desire to protect the innocent, as he is concerned about the ducks that are at the mercy of the people in the park.
ReplyDeleteCD: “I have a feeling that you're riding for some kind of terrible terrible fall [...] The whole arrangement's designed for men who, at some time or other in their lives were looking for something their own environment couldn’t supply them with [...] So they gave up looking” pg. 187
ReplyDeleteCM: This discussion between Mr. Antolini and Holden shows that Holden is the one who truly needs to be rescued from “falling”. Throughout the book Holden envisions himself as the protector rather than the one who needs protection which in reality, Holden needs the protection or in this case, the one who needs to be “caught”. The conversation of these two were very much similar to the one Phoebe and Holden had earlier of the catcher in the rye: catching children's innocence from falling in the dangerous world of adulthood and corruption. Mr. Antolini sees just that and is trying to catch holden before he falls, but Holden resist.
This relates to Joseph Campbell, Rescue from Without because the hero, Holden gets guidance and assistance even if he or she doesn't want it. Just how Mr.Antolini tried to help Holden before he falls.
CD: " I kept thinking about Jane, and about Stradlater having a date with her and all. It made me so nervous I nearly went crazy." Pg.34
ReplyDeleteCM: Holden feels so hepless because he isn't able to protect Jane, Holden knows Stradlater only wants one thing from Jane. Holden realized that once Stradlater gets what he wants he will leave Jane hurt and stripped of innocence. Not being able to protect his loved ones' innocence really hurts Holden and pushes him to the limit. Holden wants to protect Jane on a more relationship level. Holden knows Jane had a rough childhood and the last thing she needed was to be used by Stradlater. In Joseph Cambell's hero's Journey The meeting with the goddess is similar to Stradlaters live for Jane and his want to protect her.
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ReplyDeleteCD:"He knew I wasn't coming back to Pencey.I forgot to tell you about that. They kicked me out."(Salinger,4)
CM: In the quote above, Holden seemed to leave out a tiny bit of significant information while starting to describe to us his past experiences at Pencey Highschool and how it affected the rest of his story.THE FACT THAT HE GOT KICKED OUT.In further detail Holden was kicked out of Pencey because of his inability to "apply himself" meaning he did not try the least bit to be a successful student at his former highschool in which later explained that he hated it and everybody there.This humorous and definable moment is what Joseph Campbell would call "The Call to Adventure" a special feature from his fantastic analysis of stages in a hero's journey . As Sir Campbell described in the stage of "The Call to Adventure", Holden begins in a normal setting by the name of Pencey High school in which he discharged from per se. This one action was the catalyst for a chain of reactions starting Holden's journey as he creeps his way into a new setting where he is trying to fight the evils of the cold world that he is trying to protect innocence from.The Departure,Initiation and the Return of "Catcher in the Rye" could not been accomplished without the simple event of Holden getting bounced out of school. Truly comical, entertaining but most of all essential to the plot of the story. It all begins with "The Call to Adventure". Hasta Luego Holden!
CD: " I felt so damn happy all of the sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around." pg.213
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote demonstrates that Holden feels happy after being through lots of things in his life. Its important because after what Holden has experience and his indecisive choices he finally gets to enjoy his life. His past and his sins hunt Holden down and never lets him be happy but now he finally is. This connect to Joseph Campbell "Hero's Journey" in where it shows the "The Ultimate Boom," were the goal of Holden is finally accomplish. This is not only show his happiness but it show is rebirth, and his new beginning. The feeling he feels its mature because as an adult he let go of the negative things in life to finally fulfill his happiness.
"He knew I wasn't coming back to Pency . . . They kicked me out." (Sallinger 4)
ReplyDeleteThis quote is significant because this shows how Holden is just a boy that just want something new and different. He's young and doesn't care got kicked out of school. This is the first part of him embarking on his heroes journey. This situation forces him to embark on the hero's journey. Just like many other text I've read and movies I've seen the hero start off with non heroic actions and qualities. Usually the hero throughout the story goes through certain hardships as a right of passage to gain these heroic qualities. Holden in this book did not. His heroes journey was somewhat altered and distorted.In the end when he found his 'happiness' looking at the carousel in the rain. He 'returned' to a happiness he never had in the beginning, but he always envied.
"Boy it began to rain like a bastard. In buckets... I swear to god, all the parents and everybody went and stood right under the roof of the carousel [...] I got pretty soaking wet. My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection. I felt so damn happy all of a sudden. (Salinger, p.212-213). As Holden is expressing his emotions at this point in the novel he is signifying that the concept of rain and the carousel was utilized to unify the community and give a sense of innocence. This event parallels with that of the ducks because Holden cared for them just like he did for his siblings as their ultimate protector.
ReplyDeleteCD: "It was a Saturday and it was raining like a bastard out, and I was over at her [Jane's] house, on the porch - they had this big screened-in porch. We were playing checkers [...] It was raining like hell and we were out on her porch, and all of a sudden this booze hound her mother was married to came out on the porch and asked Jane if there were any cigarettes in the house. [...] Then all of a sudden, this tear plopped down on the checkerboard. On one of the red squares - boy, I can still see it She just rubbed it into the board with her finger. I don't know why, but it bothered the hell out of me." - Salinger, pg. 78-79
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote is significant because it relates to Joseph Campbell's step in the hero's journey where the hero is called to action. Jane's porch symbolizes the "shield of innocence", the checkers games symbolizes the distractions of childhood, the cigarettes symbolize the unhealthy distractions of non-innocence, and Jane's stepfather, Mr. Cuhady, symbolizes human sinfulness and what happens when it penetrates the ideals of innocence. All of these elements are important because they create a "call to action" for Holden and sort of pull him out of the fantasy he was experiencing with Jane. By stopping the checkers game (the fantasy) Mr. Cuhady (the sinful human) disturbs Holden's feeling of content, which causes him to embark on a new journey to find that feeling he possessed in his childlike mindset before Allie's death.Maybe Holden had difficulty coming to terms with the idea of Stradlater trying to cop a feel with Jane because the feeling of childishness he had when Allie was alive manifested during his time with Jane. Therefore, taking Jane's innocence would have ruined Holden's experience with her and possibly could have altered Holden's feelings for Allie.
""She had a lousy childhood. I'm not kidding" That didn't matter to Stradlater, though. Only very sexy stuff interested him." (Pg. 32)
ReplyDeleteHolden tries once again to protect Jane from a man, the first was he step-father. However once again Holden fails which aligns with Joseph Campbell's road of trials, Holden keeps failing to protect people leading him to transform. However unlike Campbell's outline, Holden continue to fail and becomes an anti-hero by straying from the hero outline.
CD:" It began to rain like a bastard [...] parents and mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof [...] my hunting hat gave me a lot of protection [...] I felt so damn
ReplyDeletehappy all of a sudden[...] " ( Salinger. Pgs, 212, 213 )
CM: Holden has a sense of fulfillment when he sees everybody being protected from the world even if it was only for a moment.
CD: "After they left, I started getting sorry that I'd only given them ten bucks for their collection." (Salinger, pg.113).
ReplyDeleteTo me, this quote is a summary of all Holden's struggles. Holden thrives for attention and will get it any way he can get it, in this case from two kind nuns. Holden struggles to draw connections to people, but sees the nuns as an opportunity to have a decent conversation. Holden knows the nuns cannot reject him simply because of their nature. He also figures that by donating to their cause, he will encourage more conversation. I wouldn't say Holden is necessarily desperate, but he is willing to do things for the attention he wants. By giving the nuns more money he felt that he would have prolonged the conversation, but he didn't. Holden failed to draw connection to people, and this quote shows a great example of that.
"All the parents and mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof of the carousel..." Holden was happy that everyone was cleansed by the rain and became innocent again. He felt like his job was accomplished.
ReplyDeleteCD: "My hand still hurts me every once in a while, when it rains and all, and I can't make a real fist anymore- not a tight one, I mean- but outside of that I don't care much"
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CM: In the quote above Holden describes the time when he heard about his brother's passing and went on a rampage through the garage, breaking every window in sight. This rampage is what almost got him institutionalized. Holden mentions specifically about when it RAINS his hand begins to hurt. As many of us know water in stories is never just water. From this statement I believe that the rain symbolizes a change for the better and new growth. However, for Holden, whenever it rains his hand begins to hurt reminding him of that dreadful night and his brother's passing. Bringing me to the conclusion that whenever things get better for Holden he is reminded of his brother's death and ruins it for himself. There were several cases of Holden's hand bothering him until the very end when it pours rain and he didn't mention a thing symbolizing he was finally able to receive closure. A scenario as this reminds me of Joseph Campell's three stages in the return phase under the "freedom to live" stage since Holden is relieved from his pain and finds a sense of comfort in the pouring rain.
"Then what she did--it damn near killed me--she reached in my coat pocket and took out my red hunting hat and put it on my head..." (212).
ReplyDeleteHolden values Phoebe's opinion more than anybody's. Phoebe putting the hat on Holden's head let him finally believe that he deserves protection, and should protect others. Holden's hat provides him protection all throughout the book and he turns to it in hard times, like after his fight with Stradlater. Holden's want so badly to protect children from adulthood, and his sister wants to protect him as well. The hunting hat being placed on Holden's head by the person he trusts the most means something to him. It makes Holden believe that this is truly what he should be doing. Phoebe giving Holden the hat gives him hope.
CD: "I have a tombstone and it'll say "holden claufield" on it [...] and then right under that it'll say "fuck you"" (pg.204, J.D.)
ReplyDeleteCM: In the quote above Holden shows that he's in a psychological crisis and his thoughts about himself change. Holden has began to felt less than after re-entering the real world and finding out how things have changed. This quote of Holden's thoughts is in relation to Joseph Cambell's section "belly of the whale". This relates because Holden has been swallowed into a different life of him seeing hiself as dead and nobody would even respect or leave Holden at peace. Although, Holden has to face the real truth on reality he is not able to accept what is coming towards him without thinking he isn't worth much to anyone around him.
CD: "IF YOU REALLY want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to know is where I was born, and what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, [...] but I don't feel like going into it, if you want the truth. (Salinger, pg.1)"
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote is an example of Joseph Campbell's departure. In this quote Holden introduces himself in a weird way, but he is clearly stating that he has a story to tell and wants to skip all nonsense. The tone in this first line of the book tells the readers that the the book will not be like an ordinary book. It gives an informal tone to readers and a sense that the book will be brutally honest. This is the beginning of the main reader heading off into their journey, which makes this the departure because there is no going back now that Holden started talking.
" I'm the most terrific liar you ever saw in your life. It's awful. If I'm on my way to the store to buy a magazine [...] i'm liable to say that I'm going to the opera" (Salinger, ph 16)
ReplyDeleteThis quote reminds me of Joseph Campbell's Departure: Refusal of the call because the way Holden lies and refuses to except reality. He lies to everyone in the book, but when it comes to his sister he does it for a different purpose. Holden feels that if he lies he can paint a picture of what he want things to look like. To Holden if he were to speak reality and then there's no escaping it. When it comes to Phoebe, he lies to protect her from all of the sick things that happen outside of childhood. This is also why he wanted to be the catcher in the rye, Holden wanted to protect all of the innocent children from what wrongs beyond childhood. Telling the children the truth would be like dragging them off the carousel, he would strip them from their protection.
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CD: "He wrote me a note saying he wanted to see me before I went home. He knew I wasn't coming back to Pency. I forgot to tell you. They kicked me out." (Salinger, pg3-4)
ReplyDeleteCM: In this quote Holden tells the reader that he has just been asked to leave Pency. Because he can not return to school he must go back home to New York. he decides not to return to his home immediately but rather roam the city until his parents lean of what happened. This is symbolic of Joseph Campbell's departure and specifically the call to adventure. Because he roams the city he is able to learn more about himself while going through an identity crisis
"By any chance, do you know where they go, the ducks, when it gets all frozen over?..." (Salinger, 60)
ReplyDeleteThis quote is significant because it's another symbol for Holden being the Catcher in the Rye. Holden is the catcher in the rye because he wants to "catch" the kids around him and save them from adulthood. Holden wants them to keep their innocence and that's why he's worried about the ducks. He kept asking where the ducks went as if they were kids because when the pond freezes they have nowhere to go just like children when they become adults. All Holden wanted to do was save the kids and he expressed that in questioning the ducks. All throughout the book Holden wanted to remain innocent within himself and he wanted the same for his sister Phoebe. Phoebe and her brother had a special bond because they could be kids together and not focus on reality. Holden wanted her to stay that way as long as possible.
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"When I was all set to go, when I had my bags and all, I stood for a while next to the stairs and took a last look down the goddam corridor." ( Salinger, 52)
ReplyDeleteThis part of the story is significant because this is where Holden first crosses the threshold in the story. He leaves a place he knows and is comfortable in, Pency Prep, and enters the unknown of the city with many dangers to be seen. In the quote Holden shows his fear of leaving Pency and is worried how the city will treat him.
CD:"Uh huh. Well,how 'bout? Y'innarested? Five bucks a throw . Fifteen bucks the whole night."(pg.91)
ReplyDeleteCM:Holden actions going back to his room in the hotel. On the way up to his room,he enters the elevator where Maurice is in. Maurice wants Holden to have a good time at the Hotel,so tries to persuade him into having a relationship with a prostitute.Holden can cause the lack of innocence and responsibility. His decisions can despair honesty into anger or making the wrong decisions and not taking the right path to overcome his depression of loneliness.
CD:Boy, it began to rain like a bastard. In buckets, I swear to God. All the parents & mothers and everybody went over and stood right under the roof of the carousel, so they wouldn't get soaked to the skin or anything, but I stuck around on the bench for a quite a while. I got pretty soaking wet[...]My hunting hat really gave me quite a lot of protection,[...]I felt so damn happy all of a sudden, the way old Phoebe kept going around and around." Pg. 212-213
ReplyDeleteSignificance: This quote of the paragraph towards the end shows relationship between the Catch in the Rye & Joseph Campbell's Return. The Carrousel represents the protection for the community while the hunting hat is Holden's protection. He stays in the pouring rain as a symbol of being cleansed of all his sins from the past. For a moment, Phoebe represents Holden's past life of innocence and Holden is happy as hell because he feels lile the Catcher in the Rye. He feels as if somehow he is able to protect Phoebe from all the bad in the world as long as she keeps going around on that Carrousel. His happiness also represents him growing up. He has realized that his adult hood is approaching. This could relate to the Return of Master of Two Worlds. The person has become comfortable and competent in both the inner and outer worlds.
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DeleteCD: “ ‘the mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one” (salinger,188)
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote is from the instance where Mr.Antolini is trying to convince Holden that him hating the way the adult world is will lead to a life of never ending hate. This quote relates to Joseph Cambell’s The Hero’s Journey by connecting with one of its steps: atonement with the father. Holden respects Mr.Antolini and his words hold power with Holden. Just like with atonement with the father the male entity in the hero’s life is supposed to help him or save his life with his great power. Mr.Antolini saves holden’s life from never ending hate by using his powerful words to influence him. This quote that Mr.Antolini is also meant to help the hero Holden cross over the threshold again and finish his “quest” of dealing with becoming an adult and possibly losing his innocence.
CD:"He'd written me this note asking me to stop by and say good-by before vacation started, on account of I wasn't coming back." (Salinger, pg7)
ReplyDeleteCM: This quote is an example of John Campbell's departure. In this quote Holden's history teacher, Mr. Spencer is Holden's "supernatural guide". Mr. Spencer cares about Holden enough to invite him to his house to say goodbye to Holden. As saod in John Campbell's hero's journey, the supernatural aid guides the hero in the right path.
CD: I decided I'd never go home again and I'd never go away to another school again. I decided I'd just see old Phoebe and sort of say good-by to her and all, and give her back her Christmas dough, and then I'd start hitchhiking my way out West. (Salinger,198)
ReplyDeleteCM: In this quote Holden explains how he is going to abandon everything and go out West. Holden feels that he is better off in his make me believe life that he conjured up. He has thought up how he wants his life to be so that he doesn't want to return. In Campbells book it talks about the refusal of the return which is what Holden is doing. He has found a place in which he believes he will be happy so he will not return home.
CD: I decided I'd never go home again and I'd never go away to another school again. I decided I'd just see old Phoebe and sort of say good-by to her and all, and give her back her Christmas dough, and then I'd start hitchhiking my way out West. (Salinger,198)
ReplyDeleteCM: In this quote Holden explains how he is going to abandon everything and go out West. Holden feels that he is better off in his make me believe life that he conjured up. He has thought up how he wants his life to be so that he doesn't want to return. In Campbells book it talks about the refusal of the return which is what Holden is doing. He has found a place in which he believes he will be happy so he will not return home.
CD: "What it was, it was Mr. Antolini's hand. What he was doing was he was sitting on the floor right next to the couch. (...) he was sort of petting me or petting me on the goddamn head. 'What the hellya doing?', I said! 'Nothing! I'm simply sitting here admiring' (Salinger 191-92).
ReplyDeleteCM: In the quote, Holden is at Mr, Antolini's house for the night after they talked about all of Holden's current situations. Then, as they were all getting ready for bed, Mr. Antolini was "admiring" Holden as he slept. However, Holden does not accept that. In connection to Joseph Campbell's "A Hero's Journey", this quote portrays the step "Atonement with the Father" by using Antolini to symbolize that ultimate power and father figure that Holden cannot seem to connect with. For example, Antolini was petting Holden's head and admiring him like a father would do with his younger child but, Holden's disconnection makes the situation more awkward and unappreciated.